02 March 2011

Kabir Gyan Divas - Give people a pleasent climate - कबीर ज्ञान दिवस - लोगों को सुहावना मौसम दें – एक सुझाव




The birth anniversary of Satguru Kabir Saheb will be falling on 15 June. Preparations are on. Last year I saw those celebrations in Jammu
जून 15 को सत्गुरु कबीर साहेब का जन्मदिन आने वाला है. तैयारियाँ चल रही हैं. पिछले वर्ष मैंने जम्मू में यह उत्सव देखा था.
It was scorching sun on the head - hands held banners of 'Jai Kabir'
सिर पर थी धूप - और हाथों में जय कबीर के झंडे
These little girls took the sun on their cheeks
इन्होंने तो धूप को गालों पर लिया
Children remembered to smile in front of camera.
कड़ी धूप मे ये बच्चे कैमरा के सामने मुस्कराना नहीं भूले
 

June was too hot for such celebrations. It was 43 degrees outside and people sat there from 09 AM to 04 PM. About five thousand people participated. About three thousand people sat continuously. They took municipality water or purchased bottled water which cost 10-12 rupees. Their patience and dedication is appreciable. Obviously many people did not dare come out of their houses due to hot climate. Attendance was much less than the possible one.

Anniversaries of most of the Dalit Saints have been fixed/shifted to May-June. Extreme summer is discouraging factor. Sweet Cold water (छबील) is served on such days.

It is better to celebrate the main function in the month of October preferably on a Sunday falling five or six days before or after full moon. This day can be celebrated as Kabir Realization Day. A day falling 2-3 days before full moon of the day of full moon should be avoided.

Leaving aside seasonal festivals all other celebrations regarding Saints should given a pleasant climate. People will get encouraged.

Please do not have any intention to test people's devotion. It is harmful.

ऐसे बड़े समागम के लिए जून का मौसम बहुत गर्म था. 43 डिग्री तापमान में सुबह 9 बजे से सायं 4 बजे तक लगभग पाँच हजार लोगों ने सहभागिता की. लगभग तीन हज़ार लोग लगातार बैठे रहे. वे म्युनिसपैलिटी का पानी पी रहे थे या पानी की बोतलें 10-12 बारह रुपए में खरीद-खरीद कर पी रहे थे. उनकी श्रद्धा और सहनशीलता की प्रशंसा करनी होगी. ज़ाहिर है कई लोग मौसम के कारण घर से नहीं निकले. जितनी शिरक़त संभव थी उससे कम रही.

कई महापुरुषों के जन्मदिन मई-जून में पड़ते/कर दिए गए हैं. गर्मी हतोत्साहित करने वाला फैक्टर है. उस दिन छबीलें लगती हैं.

मुख्य समारोह अक्तूबर में पूर्णमासी से पाँच-छः दिन पहले या पाँच-छः दिन बाद में आ रहे रविवार को मनाना बेहतर होता है. यह समारोह कबीर ज्ञान दिवस के रूप में मनाया जा सकता है. पूर्णिमा से तीन दिन पहले से लेकर पूर्णिमा तक का समय रखें.

मौसमी त्यौहारों को छोड़ शेष सभी समारोहों को सुहावना मौसम देने का प्रयास करें. इससे जनता में उत्साह बढ़ेगा.

कृपया लोगों की श्रद्धा की परीक्षा न लें. यह हानिकारक है. 


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23 comments:

  1. kabir was a great revolutionary. we are weaver for last four thousand years. 15% Muslims are ansari-julahas, a community where kabir was born and brought up. can you tell me any Muslim remembering him as a Islamic massiah? indian society is developed iv vedic system from 187BC onward. the struggles continued till 800AD when we - as Buddhists in those days were recruited as a forced lavour and it continued till 1853. we are not only forced as a forced labor but our well developed religion was forced to be forgotten. we were again asked to to go back to our original original religion and was denoted as a caste megh/meghwal etc. this community need to be thought their previous religion and
    and they must come as religious force otherwise they will become lower among the low in the changing conditions. how fast the low are growing the new brahmanical style and are leaving behind all li-lag classes. bhagat jee, time has come when you should do some thing.

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  2. आप को महाशिवरात्रि की हार्दिक शुभकामनाएँ|

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  3. kabir may be developed as an idol as Satguru Kabir. we may have Satguru Kabir Gurdwaras all over the nation.we must dicard the word temple or mandir or bhavan etc. "Satguru Granth Saheb" can be placed in all these Gurudwaras.religious nearness and social disjunctiveness will maintain the self respect of different communities. time will come when all these spiritual unique people will live life togatherness. this is one of the aspect to start with.

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  4. days as you have asked can be worked out as per need of the fast growing needs of the society. your suggestion need to be looked into .

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  5. @ GL, Thanks for the informative comments.
    @ Patali, आपको भी महाशिवरात्रि की हार्दिक शुभकामनाएँ.

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  6. OUR PEOPLE HAD BEEN FORCED TO FORGET THEIR RELIGION. FORCED TO WORK FREE BONDED LABOUR THEY CONSIDER THAT KABIR IDEOLOGY IS THEIR RELIGION.KABIR WAS A REVOLUTIONARY WHO DISCADED THE VEDIC SYSTEM OF BRAHMINICAL IDEOLIGY. WE MUST LEARN HIS IDEOLOGY AS AN IDOL AND REMEMBER HIM A SAINT OF THE MAGI RELIGION AND NOT A SAINT OF OF THE MEGH COMMUNITY ONLY. OUR PEOPLE MUST KNOW THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY RELIGION. THEY ARE ONE OF THE DEPRESSED AND SOCIALLY BACKWARD TRIBE DECLARED IN THE CONSTITUTION FOR THE BENEFITS OF RESERVATION. BEING DEPRESSED AND SOCIALLY BACKWARDNESS IS ONE CONDITION THAT ALONE DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR RESERVATION. THE OTHER CONDITION IS THAT YOU MUST QUALIFY THAT YOU ARE PROFESSING hINDUISM OR SIKHISM OF BUDDHISM. DR. AMBEDKAR WRITES THAT WE SHOULD NEVER BE A PART OF HINDUISM THAT CONSIDERS YOU AS AN OUTCASTE AND LOW. BUT YOU MUST HAVE A RELIGION. WHAT SHOULD BE? CHOICE IS LEFT- AS GUIDED BY AMBEDKAR- BUDDHISM OR SIKHISM. KABIRISM IS A DEVELOPED VERSION OF BUDDHISM ACCORDING TO SOCIAL CONDITIONS CREATED ON THIS LAND BY ARYANS. SO IS SIKKHISM. THAT IS WHY SIKH GURUS HAVE ADOPTED sATGURU kABIR'S LITERATURE IN THEIR HOLY BOOK.

    BUSHAN JE, NOT ONLY VEDIC LAW HAD MADE YOU AS A DISJUNCTIVE GROUP BUT CONSTITUTION TOO HAVE RECOGNISED YOU A SEPARATE TRIBE WITH AN OPEN MOUTHB OF RESERVATION IN THREE RELIGION. YOU ARE NOT A SCHEDULED CASTE IF YOU DONOT WANT TO BE IN RESERVATION BUT YOU ARE FORCED TO BE SCHEDULED CASTES BECAUSE YOU ARE OUTCASTE WHIHC IN NOT A PART OF HINDU LAW BUT A PROFESSING CLASS LIKE CHIIMPANJEE. PLEASE TELL THE INTELLECT OF THE COMMUNITY TO GIVE THE POOR AND HANDICAP - EDUCATION OF RELIGION IN A DEMOCRATIC POWER.

    IT IS MY DUTY TO TELL YOU-AND FOLLOW KABIR NOT FOR GURU'S IDEOLOGY ONLY BUT AS A REVOLUTIONARY TOO. " ARE BRAHMIN JE TU BRAHMINI JAYA, OUR BHAT KAHE NAHI AYAYA" SECTION I-37, I-87TO I-108 OF THE HINDU LAW CONFIRMS THAT THOSE WHO ARE BORN FROM DIFFERENT PART OF THE BODY ARE FOUR VARNA. CHAPTERII-2 SEC 46 STATE THAT THOSE WHO ARE NOT BORN FROM THE ABOVE PARTS ARE OUTCASTE AND NON-ARYANS. CASTES AND VARNAS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SHIFTING UTEROS- THAT IS WHY THE ABOVE REMARKS OPF THE GREAT SAINT ARE REFERRED.

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  7. बहुत सार्थक सन्देश दिया। धन्यवाद।

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  8. Agree with GL in terms of ideology . We should go for Buddhism as Buddha preached what later our saints like Kabir,Raidas and Tukaram preahced.
    Babasaheb already did a lot of research , we have to just follow him.

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  9. Sandeep , Buddhism is not fit to Indian conditions unless our people are determined and well equipped with security of the religion.we lost it when we were superior. look at Buddhism in Maharashtra or in other states. there is not even a single organization that is doing its duty sincerely. most of these are working as agents of some vested opponents. in fact we were all Buddhists but could not save it. How can we save now?

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  10. @ GL

    Nothing is permanent . Buddhism is a very flexible religion , the persons who say that Buddhism is just about non-violence are morons.
    What other options do you have , you want to remain lower caste or what ? Or do you want a new religion called Kabirism ? Something like some time back Ravidasis have declared a new religion called Ravidasiya dharm .Marathas have made a new religion called shiv dharma.Do any one know these religions.Do these religions will ever be able to create the world influence . Buddhism is a growing religion all over the world and most respected too and i think we should go for that.And if there is no organisation for Buddhism ,then we should make one.Should we wait for someone to come and help us.If not Buddhism then what is your option tell me ?

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  11. i have liked your thought.we all will get the emerging concept that all of may like.ravidasia religion is a concept against ambedkarism. it is more to kill the revolution that to go far a religion of a community recently formed by persons who are following a particular profession. they are out of the reservation now. reservation is for those who follow Sikhism, Buddhism or Hinduism. only those classes are entitled reservation who were forced bonded labor of the newly formed Hindus to support the Jajmani rules and agreed to remain out castes. that is why the constitution of India has referred as a professing class of Hinduism.those out castes who changed to other religion than stated above are not entitled for any benefit of social and economic backwardness.it needs a long debate that may take days to gather even on a small topic. Please keep on thinking along with all your friends and i am sure your team will arrive at a reasonable outcome.

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  12. Regarding other question about tribal: every religion has its duty to develop and recruit people in the religion who do not have or who are placed low by other religions. nothing to worry; the tribal are up in protecting their identity and once they study their past they may not come near for what they are being allured today by having about more than one lakh Vanvasi schools.

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  13. @ GL
    @ Sandeep

    We are in fact at cross roads. Thanks for sharing your valuable views. We shall be on highway one day.

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  14. @ GL

    We think that Ravidasis have not done any good to Bahujan cause by forming another religion but they don't think like that , for them its a big revolutionary step for the annihilation caste.We lack mass communication with each other, we marry in our small castes,we walk differently,we do have the big organisations like BAMCEF , but most of our people don't knwo about that.

    I doubt if Ravidasis will be able to make any big , it will be like another Ad dharm .Its a favorable step for the Vedic forces.Even i doubt if this was masterminded by the vedic forces.First 1984 to screw sikhism and now division of sikhism.
    I would again repeat my previous statement that babasageb already did a lot of research before accepting Buddhism , we have to just follow him , but i am not saying that we should not carry our individual research off course we should carry our own research and after that if we feel that particular thing is good for us then we should move forward.

    Buddhism is a religion because of which Vedic religion was reduced to meager position for 1000 years.Buddhism was the religion of Ashoka the Great , Buddhism was the religion of Harshavardhan and many other great indian kings.Chandragupt Maurya founder of Maurya dynasty was a Jain himself which is an another shramanic religion.(It is an another issue that jainism is now reduced to baniawad and its followers are now become banias and adjusted in vaishya varan of vedic religion)


    We should mind this fact that if we are Buddhist it does not mean that we are not hindu , we are hindu even then too.Hindu means Indian.
    Hindu word is a nationalistic word , it has nothing do with the religion.
    Hinduism is NOT a religon itself , read Babasaheb's Riddles in Hinduism , you will come to know about that.Hindu means a person who live in Hindustan , all Indians are hindu irrespective of their religion.

    Right now only candidates of Hinduism,Buddhism,Sikhism and i think jainism too can avail the benefits of reservation.But recently there are talks for the reservation for candidates of Islam and Christianity , I feel that there are quite good chances of happening this too , but i feel that they will get the reservation outside the present reservation for SC/ST.We need more SC/ST/OBC to drive the politics according to us , so it is beneficial for us.But it does not mean that i favor the conversion to these two religions , Buddhism should be our first option.

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  15. @ GL

    Tribals right now lack any sort of movement or organisation. I don't know what BAMCEF, BSP and Mayawati is doing in this regard.BJP has already proceed further and made the alliance with JMM in Jharkhand , disgusting !!! ... Tribals are in a grave danger ! don't know what to do for them .

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  16. @ Bharat Sir

    Sir,I request you to start a topic on the Literature of Babasaheb . Here is the Link :- http://www.ambedkar.org/ambcd/WRITINGSALPHABET.htm

    Without Reading Babasaheb's Literature , We are like Guns without Bullets.

    Jai Bhim !

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  17. @ Sandeep Ji, I have taken your suggestion. Let us see in what form we can do it.

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  18. Yes, it is a setback to unify outcaste people. A severe blow to Ambedkarism and consolidation of a community with the appearances of their profession as a religion. We hope they will improve upon in the times to come.
    Yes, Buddhism is the best and it is our own previous religion. As we are out castes and not recognized by “hindu Law” we are still without religion. In fact a severe forced bonded labour has forced us to forget our identity as a Buddhists. In fact Buddhism was not wiped out of India but we were forced to forget Buddhism in India as a slave of the Hindus.
    Now, you will agree that Buddhism is a foreign word to all our community. Why it is so? As referred above. Than what? Certainly some other saint has made a place. It is Kabir to whom weavers have accepted, Ravidas to whom Chamars have accepted as guru and so on although they had never been for one community but for oneness of humanity. They all revolutionized the society and we are cherishing it today. All communities of Buddhist origin are at a mind that is being dominated by the saints of different communities. Therefore we have to be practical in view of the existing reality about the religion.
    Please do not carry poor definition of a religion that has made the wholly humanity into its graded-ness. No two persons are equals from a different group. Even D. Radhakrishnan said it is not a religion but a way of life. If so than how the outcastes are made slave for thousands of years? Why the benefits of social backwardness are given if one is professing Hinduism? Why the graded gods are allotted that varies from stones to supreme. Dear it is a political religion that is beyond the perception of a common man. It has made human beings as common man that was further reduced to a complete slavery and then enforced a religion on mind and social life. Be clear that we are neither as Hindu nor we are to be.
    My experiences about Buddha make me to express myself in public as follows:

    “In my opinion Buddha in his meditation experienced supreme soul and realized that the such a soul is still busy in saving the humanity from sufferings of the creation, so he made up his mind that there is no god but sufferings is reality and its removal is supreme; this experience was narrated by Guru Nanak who spoke “Nanak Dukhia Sab Sansar” and Guru Gobind Singh said, “ Jin Prem Kio Tin Prabu Piao”, Lord Christ , “Love is god” others Love the humanity if one loves the god” Guru Ravi Dass, “Sant tuji sang sangat pran, satgur gian jane sant devadev”; Saint Kabir, “Ram Kabira ek hai, kahan sunan ko do; do kar soi janai, satgur mela na hoi. There is no concept of god in any of thought of these persons. God is an intoxicant word that all these used to attract the attention of people. The reasons appears to me is nothing but to divert the attention of the concept of brahamnical god. They have tries to explain to the masses in one form or the others the truth or reality. Outside enlightenment of god and inside introspection of the link had been the theory of all great saints and messengers of god. This infallible faith has been helpful to unite a class of people. This society sometimes takes a larger shape because of the will of nature and confidence of the messengers made the religious societies.”
    All these persons whether it was Buddha or other saints or we in today’s life are all fighting individually to the same force as Buddha did, all saints did. What is the solution?
    It is reserved . please learn more and more to arrives before conclusion.

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  19. some technical fault so is made a anonymous by bhagat. regarding your request Bushan has already released a view of Ambedkarism in some different context but under the " ambedkarism" -glb

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  20. ਸਤਿਕਾਰਿਤ ਭਾਰਤ ਭੂਸ਼ਣ ਜੀ,
    ਬਹੁਤ ਹੀ ਵਧੀਆ ਪੋਸਟ ..ਜਾਣਕਾਰੀ ਭਰਪੂਰ...ਓਨੀ ਹੀ ਵਧੀਆ ...ਵਾਰਤਾ ...ਬਹੁਤ ਚੰਗਾ ਲੱਗਾ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਬਾਰੇ ਪੜ੍ਹਕੇ ਵਿਸਤਾਰ ਨਾਲ਼!
    Hardeep

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  21. @ anonymous , I wonder why you are anonymous ?

    I agree with your thoughts , about conclusion , yes we have to study a lot to find many hidden things and to synchronize the energy,thoughts,ideology and actions of our people.

    One more point Babasaheb's decisions and conclusions itself carry a lot of weight.

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  22. @Hardeep sandhu

    Hey bro, i doubt if all people know gurumukhi here , if possible then english plz.

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